(***This was a pain in the a** to translate, not because of the purpose of OP's thread, but because OP wrote quite a lot and the spacings between some sentences were weird, making things seem disjointed and forcing me to read the same lines 3-4 times to understand what OP was trying to say. I also had to paraphrase certain lines, mainly for things that OP had already addressed previously (there were several similar messages throughout) but I tried to make it so that OP's point was still properly delivered. Unfortunately the top 3 comments have been deleted during the time I took to translate this (don't know why) but they were along the lines of "Hanging out with white friends means she ostracized other Asians...what kind of logic???"***)
Title: Regarding Blackpink Jennie's rumors....
Source: Pann
Date posted: February 28, 2017
****Blackpink Jennie did not ostracize other Asians****
Before I get into it, the simplified version of what I'm trying to say can be split into 3 parts
#1 A photo of Jennie hanging out with foreigners can't be used as an evidence to prove that Jennie bullied Asians. (There are photos of her hanging out with other Asians)
#2 Photos that can be easily found on google to fit your narrative also can't be used as evidence.
#3 Evidence that the rumor is true should come first; not feedback from Jennie regarding such rumors
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This rebuttal is something compiled entirely by me
I didn't copy and paste some pre-existing argument...this feedback is for those that spread the rumors and the opinions of the average person who read them, so please read
As advised by some of the replies, I clarified what I'm trying to say at the end as well, so please read
I've written this because I feel really bad for Jennie...
If Jennie truly hated Asians, why would she be sitting next to an Asian in the photo above. She wasn't selecting friends based on their race
Think about it...if you were a foreign exchange student, do you really think you'd be contemplating on the ratio of white to Asian friends you should make?
You would just become friends with whoever you were meant to become friends with
And if you thought it was strange for her to have taken a lot of pictures with white people, aren't you the one at fault for having that kind of perception? That's just your prejudice talking.
You shouldn't be looking at a white person and think to yourself, "That's a bad person"
You also shouldn't assume that someone hates Asians just because they hang out with white people or they don't hang out with an Asian crowd.
[Addressing the opposing responses whenever fans stated that the facts don't match up]
When the "victim" spoke up for the very first time, she went into great detail about what transpired
And when fans stated that there was nothing in her statement that actually served as evidence to back up her claims (not that "proof" shots serve as irrefutable evidence that everything went down exactly as written) and asked for some feedback concerning that, the returning responses were always, "Even if the facts weren't true, how else would she have been able to write with such detail"
I'll go into it more later on, but the focus should've been on evaluating the evidence rather than just siding with the "victim".
As for the people who keep insisting, "How else would she have been able to write with such detail"...that's not proof, just your opinion.
[Going into more detail about what the "victim" had written...]
The victim posted a yearbook photo and identified which class at which school as part of her evidence.
But let's try looking at it from Jennie's situation...
Pretend that Jennie went to school and led normal life for a moderate period of time before becoming a YG trainee. But then someone became jealous of that so they started a rumor with only a year book photo as evidence. From Jennie's perspective, where would she even begin to refute the rumors...
Is it rational to believe the rumors just because the "victim" was in possession of a year book? No. Shouldn't the actual evidence supporting such claims come first?
A third party might look at this and say that, "Well there's no guarantee that the evidence still exists...even if it does, how do you expect anyone to find it?"...but they'll never be able to solve anything that way because they're still looking at things from the perspective of the "victim".
Think about it...a crime has been committed so the accused to brought to court. But to try and make sure that the wrong person isn't punished for the crime, prosecution has the burden of proof - they need to present evidence beyond all reasonable doubt, before the accused is actually convicted of the crime.
Without any of that, all you've got is someone needlessly complaining. And if you make that you're standard for proof, anyone with bad intentions can turn an innocent into a perpetrator. As a result, no reasonable discussions will be able to take place and nothing will be solved.
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Watching Jennie's scandal unfold, I imagined what it'd be like from Jennie's perspective
If all it took was a yearbook photo to strengthen the claims of the "victim", how exactly should one go about refuting it? If there was actual evidence to support the claims, she could go around providing feedback in order to clarify any misunderstandings...but there weren't any.
And if Jennie was to say "I didn't do such things", people would demand of her evidence to support her statement....but because this was a baseless rumor, of course there wouldn't be any evidence.
Before concerning yourself with whether or not the rumors are true, the proper first step should be to determine whether or not there is actual evidence to support the claims and whether or not it's reliable evidence.
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#2 Pictures that can be easily obtained on the internet to fit your narrative can't be used as evidence
The "victim" was adamant that she knew Jennie very well...but then why did she get what class Jennie was in wrong?
All the photos that the victim provided as "evidence" were all things that were already easily obtainable from the web. There were already a lot of pre-debut photos circling the web because Jennie was a pretty well know trainee (through featuring for GD's "Black", "That XX" mv, Seungri's "GG Be" and Lee Hi's "Special") and had gained a fanbase. Then does it make sense to consider those photos as evidence?
So if a year book photo can't be used as evidence and some of the "facts" provided by the "victim" turned out to be wrong, just how seriously should we be taking those claims?
The above is a photo of Jennie with her mom when they went to Thailand recently
The "victim" had stated that Jennie's mom is a model but...
Jennie's mom is shorter than Jennie (163 cm)...does it make sense that she's a model?
That means that the "victim" had lied about that
The first person who started the rumor got the year Jennie went abroad incorrect and another "victim" said that Jennie had home-stayed at a Korean friend's house, but according to the MBC documentary, she had home-stayed at a foreigner's house. They also claimed that Jennie used her mom's model connections to get into YG, but it's obvious her mom's not a model. And apart from these two, there isn't anyone else claiming to be victims.
If you watch the documentary of Jennie when she was 10, she stayed at a foreigner's house for some time...and the person above is the one that lived with her.
When the "victim" was adamant that Jennie did not get along with Asians, there were photos proving otherwise. Even the ones that were actually close with Jennie stated that there weren't any problems so why are people siding with a person who only had a year book photo as evidence.
#3 Evidence backing the claims should come first, not Jennie's feedback concerning such rumors
I said it before and I'll say it again...before wondering whether or the not the claims are true, it'd be better to consider whether or not there is actual evidence and if it's reliable enough to support the claims
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+ Those that quickly or want to believe the rumors and those that spread these rumors with ill intent, I wish they'd think about what it'd be like if they were the ones in question before taking any action.
++ I feel that the expression "no smoke where there's no fire" is ironic.
There could be several reasons for why the rumors began, so it's not exactly right to just blame people for spreading the rumors....but at the same time, that expression wouldn't fit the situation if, let's say the rumor began out of jealousy.
The basis of the rumor would be jealousy and that would be it....
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My points:
#1 Photos of Jennie hanging out with white friends can't be used as evidence that Jennie bullied Asians (there are also pictures of her hanging out with Asian friends)
#2 Photos easily obtained from the web to fit your narrative can't be used as evidence
#3 Evidence that support the claims comes before Jennie's rebuttal of such claims
Comments:
1.) [+78][-4] The first person who started the rumor got the year Jennie went abroad incorrect and another "victim" said that Jennie had home-stayed at a Korean friend's house, but according to the MBC documentary, she had home-stayed at a foreigner's house. They also claimed that Jennie used her mom's model connections to get into YG, but it's obvious her mom's not a model. And apart from these two, there isn't anyone else claiming to be victims.
2.) [+43][-4] Shit ㅠㅠ I've been waiting and waiting for a clarification post like this, OP, so thank you very much. I was really pissed off about how people kept calling Jennie a "banana" (an Asian who acts white) and drag on the issue on Pann... They would continuously bitch and then run away when asked for actual evidence. Fkcng pissed....Jennie's not that kind of kid. So I guess a year book photo is enough to support a rumor? Then I guess I can start a rumor about KMN because we went to the same school..ㅋ Those that believe such baseless rumors...what are you, immature? Have some fckng standards...rumors about SJS, T-ara(?) also started on Pann and they went through a lot....even after seeing that, you guys get brainwashed once again by this rumor and hate on her....fckng disgusting....Jennie, let's walk the flower path
3.) [+31][-1] I'm a fan of another group (can provide proof, if necessary) and whenever I see these kinds of posts, I'm reminded how interested people are in rumors and provocative issues and yet they don't hold that same interest for rebuttals and clarification posts like these. The average person can probably relate to the frustration that comes from minor, everyday misunderstandings...so I wish they'd keep in mind that the people they judge from their computer screens are also people as well....find strength, Blackpink and their fans
4.) [+27][-1] I was studying abroad in New Zealand for 5 years and there are several exchange students from Korea!! But you're trying to tell me that an Asian ostracized another Asian? That's like asking for a social death warrant from the Korean community (***I can testify to that - my high school had a decent sized population of Korean transfer students and the way they move and handle "situations"...it's almost scary how organized they are***)...and it's not like they'll be living with only white folks
5.) [+22][-0] Racial prejudice is what you all are doing, idiots. An Asian person can't have a lot of white friends?
6.) [+21][-1] I know a bit as well, but New Zealand is pretty small and acceptance of racism towards Asians are a thing of the past. People would look at you more strangely if you were racist towards Asians. Plus the school that Jennie went to is pretty strict with regulations.
7.) [+19][-5] There's not a kid who debuted from YG that had a dirty past~~
8.) [+19][-4] How did Jennie put up with all this
9.) [+18][-2] There was a rumor that B.I was a bully in high school but it was determined later that B.I didn't attend high school, Nam Taehyun, NCT Taeyong and Lovelyz Seo Ji Soo also suffered from rumors as well. There were several rumors that were written up with much detail, that turned out to be false...can you still say that "No smoke where there's no fire"?
10.) [+16][-3] Makes me fckng pissed as I read this because I also went through something similar. Been living abroad for a while, so I make friends with anyone, whether they be Koreans or Americans, but the Korean exchange students kept making an issue out of it. They kept speaking ill of me to other Koreans and claimed that I being racist towards other Asians...I'm Asian..why would I be racist towards my own? I bet that the person who started the rumor did so because she was jealous of Jennie
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